/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1639607
>Why is it all CHINK trash now?
Gotta increase those profit margins and get better quarterly earnings reports, goyim.

>>1639607
You bought the thing with flaws visible a mile away?
Why?

>>1639611
Because it was cheap and worked well enough.

>>1639607
The Milwaukee packout stuff is pretty awesome if you want to try again. Shit even locks together or onto bases that you can mount to floors, walls, or ceilings. I've been transitioning a lot of my tools from other boxes into packouts.

>>1639607
Pandering to the spics' lack of attention to detail or quality workmanship.

>>1639612
And, that’s the answer to your question- enough people will go to the lowest priced, “good enough” product. Fewer go for lasting quality.

>>1639607
They still make better quality boxes, difference is they also make low end shit for those people that open their tool box twice a year. You bought their low end shit, what do you expect?

>>1639607
>Dewalt, Ryobi, Craftsman, etc... were all great American brands.
DeWalt has been owned by Black & Decker since 1960. Hell, prior to about 1993 the DeWalt name was almost exclusively used on radial arm saws. Everything since has just been relabeled Black & Decker designs.

Craftsman, which has was previously only ever a brand named owned by Sears and not a manufacturer, was sold to Stanley Black & Decker a few years ago.

Ryobi has only ever been a Chink brand. They are owned by TTi and, ironically, have been the original manufacture Craftsman power tools for decades.

>>1639607
>>1639646
First things first Ryobi is Japanese.

>>1639607
These are 10X better and waterproof. Have used them as a step ladder (even has flat treads where your feet would go) in a pinch, and they're completely waterproof. Very robust hardware and material and can take a beating, have hammered on em/used them as saw horses and benches. I even used them to balance and step on a lug wrench to get the air wrench tight lugs off my truck. Handtruck thing is okay but could do with some improvements, barely use it like that though. Outstanding toolbox set for the price imo, in all honesty it's probably the best hardcase toolbox on the market.

>>1639727
The owner of the trademark, yes, is Japanese. The corporate entity that licensed that trademark for use on power tools is not. That is TTi and they are from Hong Kong. The corporate owners of the Ryobi name are a printer manufacturing company.

A similar situation has appeared with Rockwell tools. They were once a toolmaker that got out of the business some 40 years ago but persisted on in other areas. Positec licensed the name for the corporate owners and began putting it on tools.

>>1639607
Return it asap. I got a dewalt top and drawer set and the drawers sagged and dont open well anymore

>>1639748
I’m curious about these new Milwaukee boxes. The price is right on them which is probably the main thing that turns me off from them. Everything Milwaukee sells is quite pricey considering it’s Asian made. Some of it is quite nice, some of it seems on par with more affordable Asian brands but with a premium price tag because Milwaukee.

So why are these boxes priced about the same as mid-range Craftsman?

>>1639758
There probably enough markup on the sheetmetal and drawer slides as it is and most of the market either has a snapon or equivalent already or doesnt want one that expensive. Or they have one of those total pieces of shit from the 90s/80s.

Funny enough I got that big talk Milwaukee box too because it was one of the cheapest with a work table drawer top. It's been.. fine? I'm. No connoisseur of tool boxes, my other one is a harbor freight black three unit tall. I liked the height of the milwaukee. This the huskee, and dewalt are all so obviously the same product that I just went by features and color.

The very top compartment has a tiny amount of metal peg board that I cant tine any use for. If I put anythin on it, it gets in the way of stuff I set flat on the shelf. If I put something out of the way of that then the top sticks up and would stop the lid from closing.

>>1639758
go to a Home Depot and feel those Milwaukee storage chests vs the cheap Husky ones next to them. better steel, better casters, better textured powdercoat finish, better drawer slides, better locking mechanisms, better accessories like a full set of drawer liners and onboard power strips for battery chargers.

of course they are priced higher than most, Craftsman is just a name brand these days, its not a measurement of value or quality like it was 30+ years ago.

also fuck those Dewalt boxes, Milwaukee's Packout cases are more expensive but are built to last with a better locking mechanism and more potential for a more varied too line. 3rd party manufactures have been 3D printing packout adapters so you can attach pretty much anything to your case system.

>>1640042
No man, I was saying I’m kind of concerned because the Milwaukee’s aren’t that expensive whereas everything else like those Packout boxes cost a ton. For the ~41” class Milwaukee boxes, it’s really close in money to the homeowner tier Craftsman, and it’s a little cheaper than the heavy duty Craftsman or US General. What’s the catch? When I first saw pics of them, I expected them to be at least another 30% more expensive than Husky.

>>1639607
OP dewalt was ALWAYS SHIEEET when it went CHINKO

>>1640042
Being this shilled for the that shit tier plastic shit

>>1639607
Dummy. Should have got the 3 piece Ridgid tool box. Lifetime warranty, very sturdy.

See >>1639735

>>1639612
>Bitches about chinkshit
>Won't pay more for quality
You're a fucking retard dude

>>1639607
>You can see the chink a mile away
maybe got Pic Related instead - keter make most of the B&D toolboxes from factories in the, eh, 'disputed' territories. Which is odd as Stanley also own another Israeli plastics co called ZAG who are the worlds biggest producer of plastic shit ttolboxes. But either way, agreed, shit is near see-through now. Only decent (plastics) are Festool Systainers. Which aint cheap

>>1639607
because amerikan scumbags have gone for the money and f the people

>>1639607
Because jews like you want to save a penny.

>>1639607
LOOK AT STANLEY AT WALMART

LOOK AT DEWALT TEICE THE PRICE

LITTERAL SAME CASTING NUMBERS

DEWALT U FAIL ME
KYS

>>1639607
I can't believe someone just buys stuff without looking at reviews.

>>1639735
>made in israel

No, kike.

>>1643851
It says DeWalt, it must be good.

>>1639607
Everything in your home is made in Chinkie land

>>1639607
>Why is it all CHINK trash now?
Because everyone wants to pay as little as possible for their crap, so everyone moved manufacturing to China.

>>1644095
This basically .

>>1639607
>Went to the shop
>Handled the goods
>Knew it was a poor decision
>Bought the product
>Cry on the internet about your poor decision
>Wonder why people buy this stuff
>Never realize it's people like you that drive this economy

Fucking moron

>>1644106
Be most tards nowadays

>Anons making perfect sense itt
has 4channel turned a corner? will it start getting better again from now on?

>>1643984
IDGAF where they come from, if where thy come from has some semblance of logic and reasoning to be able to provide a product worth a damn. Toughest waterproof plastic toolbox you're gonna get, find me an American one for cheaper that does better.

>>1644271
Nigger

>>1644271
/diy/ has always been the most reasonable board. Also, low key the smartest but don’t tell /sci/ or /lit/

>buying toolboxes from anywhere but Harbor Freight

Literally one of the gems that justifies the entire store.

>>1644412
Uhh bro /sci/ has way more smart people. Just look at the IQ threads

>>1639607
Get a real vintage toolbox, I get then off offerup and yard sales

I just put my tools in a big bag

>>1644566
And a tetanus shot

>>1644593
Good goyim, only buy new, buying used stuff is antisemitic

>>1639607
>>1644095
Because they cost less of your income by proportion than olden days goodboxes and 25 cent coke in a glass bottle and being paid a 4 dollars an hour. The ridgid made in israel ones are more money by a lot, yea. The festool ones are even more expensive. They're better, yep. But you can still get your DeNutz and have money after to go out with your kid for ice cream or some shit. Don't like it? Buy something else. Go even cheaper - buy direct from china or from a vertical sales company like HF or Grizzly and circumvent SBD's box. Or buy a used one. Or pony up the cash for a good small manufacturer, or some handmade boutique box. Or make your own.

Fact is 60 years ago you wouldn't just go out and buy a shitbox without a care, it was a real considered purchase. Have you dug through dead men's garages to see what they kept their tools in? Cigar boxes, coffee cans, cardboard boxes from other items, tupperware, and so on.

Most retail is bottom of the barrel because "it works and doesn't look like absolute ass or fall apart immediately" is all people need. Everything at the general retail level caters to this and manufacturers meet the demand.

If you want quality you have to pay for it and make do without the functionality until then.

>>1639607
Just remember twho sets the quality standard for your purchase. You do.
DeWalt tell the manufacturer what they're prepared to pay. The manufacturer has DeWalt as a customer, rather than you being his customer.
So if you don't like the quality blame DeWalt.

>>1644848
Why do Jews get the 'only care about money' stereotype when in reality it's a pretty universal trait, how did low iq retards get tricked into believing only Jews would ever think about money.
Just seems like old anti Jewish propoganda that people still perpetuate for no reason.

>>1644848
Why do Jews get the 'only care about money' stereotype when in reality it's a pretty universal trait.
Just seems like old anti Jewish propoganda that people still perpetuate for no reason.

>>1648297
Morons going to moron.

>>1648301
>>1648297
because jews only care about money you fucking idiots

>>1648303
obviously false statement is obviously false

>>1648297
>it's a pretty universal trait.

No it is not. Some people will literally sell a car with bad breaks to an old woman because she believes them when they say the car is fine. Some other people would not sell that car to anyone without making sure they understand how bad the brakes are.

In other words, anon, not everyone is like you appear to be.

>>1648335
>car with bad breaks

jesus christ I've been on /o/ too much lately.

>>1648297

Because it the use of sterotypes no longer coorelates to actual races, but the general ideas they imply much like memes.

You don't have to be black to be a nigger; a nigger is someone who cuts corners, who expects things.

You don't need to eat matza balls to be a Jew, but the idea that you consistently penny pinch while also trying to price gouge on resales is the implication.

A normal person would see value in cheap old toolboxes that last a lifetime; He's a kike because he's all "oy vey, its rusty!" - no shit, its survived 5x as long as the chink(Cheap) shit that you end up buying 3 times.

Basically we all are at various levels of stereotypes. If you get called out for it, consider that maybe its a troll, or maybe your just being a faggot and need to re-evaluate your stance. but people are too lazy and retarded to do that most of the time, they just follow the masses. That's why America builds cheap chink shit, because as a nation we let the masses fuck everything up.

>>1648342
>You don't need to eat matza balls to be a Jew,

that reminds me of a guy I used to work with. Whenever anything went wrong on a job, he'd go around muttering "Jews were involved".

>>1648297
Because jews throughout their history have been the banking merchant class and tend to undermine other people in their schemes. It's pretty well deserved at least from a historical perspective.

>>1639607
1. Modern ppl fail to love ol' good metal boxes
2. Metal boxes from Rust Belt are just "more expencive"
3. I also find it ridiculous to use plastic box for carrying tools around.

>>1641185
Well, plastic toolbox won't look "antique" after a week in desert lol

>>1639607
DeWalt Stanley and Craftsman (and probs other brands) organizers all come from the same factory

It's not a coincidence they all stack regardless of brand.

You should have learned by now that anything that has a brand name that isn't the brands trademark (DeWalt bits, organizers; Diablo sandpaper; new Craftsman anything) is accomplished through licensing deals brokered by the retail store they come from.

It's why some Stanley stuff is garbage but their hand tools are still reasonable quality.

Stanley has been licensing long enough though, you can see how it's tarnished their brand. They used to be a mid- upper tier consumer brand but now everyone has bought something Stanley licensed their name too that wasn't up to snuff

It's a fucking overdesigned plastic box. What faggot gives a fuck about the quality. What autist do you have to be to whine about the quality of a plastic box?

>>1648825
>what kind of autist
Do you know where you are?

Hell, even when it comes to those cheap plastic storage totes with the snap-on lids, there is a big difference in quality between the good ones at Home Depot, the mid grade Target totes, and the cheap ass Walmart ones. I got a couple small ones from Dollar Tree awhile back and the plastic is so thin and flimsy, almost like those semi-disposable food containers that are slightly more rigid than a plastic bag. With the big storage totes for keeping xmas stuff in the garage, some of them have hard plastic but they will crack and shatter. Others have more malleable plastic and can take some abuse, but they deform when you put too much weight on/in them.

SB&D will gladly slap that label on anything that just barely surpasses Walmart tier.

>>1639607

(((Corporate Raiders))) tell the investors that they can make them more money. Investors get (((them))) onto the board of directors, and (((they))) only bring in more of (((them))).

It's all in the name of short-term profit.

It usually starts with basic cost-cutting to artificially inflate profits. When that runs out of steam, it progresses to officially cutting corners and paring down the workforce to bare minimums while demanding more productivity from each employee. See pic related. This is done more incrementally until each stage is seen as "the new normal", then done again.

Then comes the offshoring. Manufacturing is moved to a place with even lower worker standards and payrates. That usually provides a big bump in profitability that spurs a desire for expansion. The problem is that all of those increased profits came at a cost to native workers, to brand reputation, to consumers who unwittingly purchased inferior goods and none of this makes for a sustainable business model. Product quality that has already been on the decline in the first phase now plummets in phase 2.

The last phase is shutting down the manufacturing completely and simply branding or rebadging items made by others. The last few ounces of consumer brand trust, nostalgia and ignorance are wrung out and the brand becomes nothing more than a licensable trademark that can be slapped on any old thing. Soon thereafter the whole scheme comes tumbling down onto itself as the investors pull their profits and move on to their next prey.

There's a few notable exceptions, like how the tribe owns every single mattress manufacturer and can keep profit margins extremely high by price collusion, or how defense contractors and medical/pharmaceutical companies have no price ceiling.

As far as toolboxes are concerned, I can guarantee there is a local sheet metal fabricator in your area.

i thought Keter made those for every brand

>>1648825
>>1648836
Like this
Keks

>>1639607
Follow this simple rule. The bigger the logo, the shittier the product.

>>1648981
I must say years ago dewalt were a very good trade tool , not so much now its been farmed to chink .

>>1648887
The adjusted min. wage in the 70s was 12/hr. Really makes you think.

>>1639646
Dewalt power tools were rebrands from a few different sources.
The older Black and Decker Industrial and Professional tools got rebranded as Dewalt, and while the tools lacked bells and whistles, they were generally well made.
Elu, the European tool brand that invented the Plunge Router, was also purchased by B&D, and B&D eventually rebranded the Elu Tools, or at least a large number of them under the Dewalt Brand.
The Elu Tools had a reputation fir quality, and the 3hp Dewalt DW625 router was still one of the best Plunge routers available decades after it was originally designed.

Ryobi was originally a Japanese tool brand, that made decent, but affordable, tools.
Ryobi is still a separate Japanese owned tool brand in Japan.
Older Ryobi tools that were sold in the medium blue color, were in many cases made in the USA, and many still work a after a decade of use.
TTI purchased the rights to use the brand name outside Japan, so the current Rypbi tools you find at Home Depot, are just a lower quality tool line from Milwaukee, who is also owned by TTI.

>>1649024
Relative to what? Gas? Eggs? Milk?

>>1648985
Their commercial line tools are the best thing you can buy if there's a DeWalt claims center near you.

We have the latest top of the line DeWalt 20v hammer drill and we've broken it multiple times but they fix it for <20$ every time

I'm down to return shut to stores but it's so much easier to have them do it because the repair is better than the original- like og Craftsman ratchets

>>1648887
And your pic related shows the effect of allowing corporations to buy politicians by financing their election campaigns.

>>1649247

>>1639607
>>1639612
Commit suicide.

>>1639607
Does it do what you need and is it failing prematurely?

Huh sounds like they cut costs in all the right ways. Why are cheap looking stamped metal clips worse than fancy looking ones for a toolbox?

>>1639607
I will never buy any dewalt shit ever. Got a drill driver and the battery last like 10 minutes. total shit. Stick with Rigid or Craftsman- Ryoni is OK too

>>1650213
Did you charge it first retard?

>>1650216
GEE ! I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT !
go fuck yourself

>>1649757
This is somewhat misleading with the store brands and shit in there.
>tfw you realize that Kobalt, Tekton, and Pitt Pro ratchets are all made on the same line
I have been curious about SB&D’s hand tools, if all of that stuff is made in-house. It could be. It used to be pretty easy to tell where most Craftsman stuff came from, or at least you could see their ratcheting wrenches were coming from the Apex-Gearwrench-Husky people and the Danaher screwdrivers and I’m trying to figure how who makes the pliers in China because the Craftsman precision set looks awfully close to some others.

Don't you guys in the US have access to Bosch (the good stuff, not the cheap shit) or Festool?

>>1650271
Yes. And we don’t have the cheap Bosch that is mentioned by Yuro anons, it’s only the Blue Bosch which seems to be about on par with DeWalt and Milwaukee, although it seems to be less popular than Red, Yellow, and Teal.

And Festool isn’t sold at Home Depot or Lowe’s, but real power tool places carry it. I think that’s pretty much limited to carpenters and woodworking guys who need those special saws they make.

>>1639612
retard

DeWalt is a Mexico/USA material company OP..Makita and Milwaukee are "chink trash" and are vastly superior. Sorry to break it to you

>>1650213
>>1650216
DeWalt is my company's standard and I can confirm the batteries are trash, they're powerful tools so it's to be expected. Just get a 4ah battery lad

>>1639607
My Dewalt isn't chink made. Where did you buy it?

>>1650296
Worked on a job with a builder that had that festool vacuum drywall sander. It worked very well, great finish, excellent dust control.
I asked the guy how much he paid for that, he told me to go to my local woodworkers store.

>>1651941
>*with global materials
That means it was assembled in the USA from parts made in China. "Assembled" can mean a lot of things. Like, everything was put together and they just slapped the plastic shell on it to complete it.

>>1651941
Where did you get that? Not from Lowes or Home Depot. Looks pretty sturdy, reminds me of my Ridgid top box. And yea that's chink made. At least my Ridgid was made by Israeli slave labor.

>>1651944
We have this place with a little Festool section. Dude I work with has a side company (hobby) doing woodworking stuff and he loves this place.

https://www.internationaltool.com

>>1651750
DeWalt (or Stanley Black & Decker in general) are all chink made (with maybe a few exceptions like chucks from Germany etc.). Assembled in USA doesn't mean shit, as if putting parts together was a big deal.

>>1652028
I went to the dewalt store. Oakland County MI

>>1652016
Well, at least some Americans got paid to assemble it.
I was looking at OP's photo. That thing looks like its a china clone. It just looks cheap compared to the Dewalt stuff I have.
I go to a place in Pontiac MI, called Performance Tool, or I go to the dewalt store.

>>1650271
Everything made by bosch where I live says made in china on the back. I'll stick with my dewalt tools.

>>1643810
That's capitalism.

>>1652286
Dont be fooled by that made in Your Country logo as components and could be made in Chink still

>>1652054
Yea, I went to place called woodcraft here in Michigan. I agree festool is a very nice tool. I just cannot justify the price difference for their products. 1200.00 for a miter saw? C'mon man! That thing better stop the blade of ot comes into contact with human tissue. That could be the only way I could justify that purchase.

>>1652316
Maybe they are chink components. But like I said in my previous post. American's touched those components, assembling them. Therefore American's received wages, paid wage taxes (hopefully). I paid sales tax to my state. At least I helped American's, rather than shop at the cesspot, The Lowe quality store. I kept my money local the best I could.

>>1639614
Can you provide some pics?

>>1639607
Even the fancy liners are dirt cheap. You can get a ton of tools into a 5 gal.

>>1652054
>>1652621
That thing better walk up someone's stairs and install the trim for me.

I'm sure Festool is the shit, but until I'm price gouging hipsters with my own novelty online crafts, it's not even worth looking at.

>>1639624
A good product should last AND should not be too expensive.

>>1644412
I agree /diy/ (apart from some threads) has the highest signal to noise ratio among many boards simply because most posters actually have a hobby (duh). So they are typically more mature and older and don't just come here to shitpost. But of course there is a fair amount of /pol/tards among them lurking on here (not necessarily /pol/ regulars but supporting the same ideas) but most of the time they don't reveal themselves and just talk about diy stuff. But occasionally a thread like this activates their almonds and they go full 'hurr durr it is all niggers kikes fault dey terk er jerbs ((((mode)))'

>>1652776
Every time I see these, I just imagine that shitty plastic handle digging into my palms while carrying this bucket full of steel to the roof of a big commercial job.

>>1653056

If I were a /diy/ janitor I doubt if much of my time would be spent clearing the /pol/tard crap, compared with the juvenile dildo and penis comments that are in almost every thread.

So what are some good made in the USA brands? I haven't bought any power tools or gear because luckily my dad has power tools, wrenches, bits, etc all made in the USA but they are older and either aren't made anymore or now made in China. For example the wrench set is from JC Penney and was made in the USA

>>1653219
How much are you willing to spend?

It also depends what you’re looking for. Proto and SK plus the tool truck brands like Snap On and Matco for hand tools, they all have good wrenches and the tool trucks might be the way to go for sockets. Klein for US-made electrical stuff (their screwdrivers are popular as well), Channellock for pliers. Williams still makes some of their stuff in the US. Craftsman is bringing some manufacturing back from Asia but their stuff isn’t on the same level as the other brands.

Power tools are different, DeWalt has some US-made stuff but basically all the main brands are Chinese.

>>1653219
Think hard for a second and give me an honest answer. Why do you actually want USA made tools?

>>1653225
You can’t really beat the US-made wrenches and sockets and stuff. As much as the tool trucks are a scam, Snappy is second to none with a lot of that.

You can get pretty good pliers from some of the US brands too, especially the electrician brands. Only problem is you gotta pay $$$$ to get good American screwdrivers, but the good German ones aren’t cheap either.

>>1653223
Money isn't an issue. I spent ~$2k on made in the USA copper cookware recently.
>>1653225
To buy from an American company that employs American workers so the money stays in the US.
To not give money to China or any other country.
Made in the USA is usually higher quality.
Buying used is always an option, but I don't mind buying new, but if I'm going to buy new then I buy made in the USA as long as it is an option.

>>1639607
>Why is it all CHINK trash now?
>Because it was cheap and worked well enough.
I think you answered your own question bud
you have to pay for quality. Dewalt, Ryobi, Craftsman see more profit catering to cheep asses like you than they made building good shit and people buying the cheaper alternative.

It's only a matter of time before Snapon realizes this and moves production to china and shills it's name in Homo Depot

>>1653244
Snap-On already sells its name to other bullshit you can find at Costco. And i think most of their electronic and diagnostic stuff is made overseas.

>>1653244
>It's only a matter of time before Snapon realizes this and moves production to china and shills it's name in Homo Depot

What do you think all the umbrella companies like Silver Eagle/ Williams/ Bahco/ Blue Point are for? To sell import tools out of their import factories.

Every dollar you spend on Snap-On goes into that big pot used to buy old decent tool names and making their shit in china. Snap-On is no different than Apex in that regard.

>>1649757
Is Hilti the only non sell out here?
they seem to be the only ones who cater strictly to tradesmen and don't give a fuck about the home reno folk

>>1653235
>To buy from an American company that employs American workers so the money stays in the US.
>To not give money to China or any other country.
>Made in the USA is usually higher quality.

So, you want to spend triple because of 1950s-esque fallacies that have been destroyed and will never return because of a huge Free Market drunken on Free Trade?

I seriously hope you are independently wealthy, not just some young kid being nigger rich with his first real job.

>>1653260
>fallacy
Nope. I'm a Mercantilist, a Mercantilist USA would have never let China progress past being rice farmers and most things would still be made in the USA. I'm against free trade

>>1651941
>dewalt store
wut? Assuming you're not trolling, they really need to bring that set to Home Depot/Lowes. As it stands, if you walk into the big box places Ridgid makes the only solid toolbox system unless you count Milwaukees packout system that costs twice as much. Pic related. Sexy but not worth it for twice the cash when Ridgid has a lifetime warranty.

>>1652776
Are you trolling, pedro?

>>1653264
>I'm against free trade
> I'm a Mercantilist

Thats not reality that we live in, and your futile attempts spend money on principle is only lining the pockets of people who contradict your beliefs.
But hey, more power to you I guess.

>>1653271
They sell a bunch of stuff home depot, and lowes doesn't

>>1653276
I want to nuke every developed city in China to keep those slopes in the rice paddies.

>>1653287
The service centers have a shop front? O.o

>tfw my nearest service center is in the darkest depths of the hood

>who would buy this shit
>buys this shit

>>1653254
They kinda fucked up the Williams brand. It used to be industrial Snappy but now it’s more like non-automotive Blue Point. The prices seem better than the truck, and I believe the Taiwan Blue Point and Williams is made in their own factory which is much better than shit contracted off to Chinese hellholes, but at that point Gearwrench is a better buy.

Now I’m curious what happens with GW. They got bought up by Apex, KD Tools got absorbed into it, they started rolling out GW tool trucks to compete with Snappy and Matco, and they have some new branding and marketing stuff coming out. I’m down with it, I like having a company like GW who is affordable for shadetree mechanics but sells stuff that is better quality than single use Harbor Freight crap.

>>1639607
>Why is it all CHINK trash now?

because of people. that box made in China cost 3.50 and they sell it to you at 15.99. if it was made in the USA it would cost 159.99. they can sell a thousand times more product at the $15 price point.

>>1639607
throw these trash away, dude. The only things with worth are these selfmaded. Fuck all the dump

>>1649714
>commercial line
What is considered this? XR? Max?

>>1653053
Which fantasy utopia do you live in?

>>1639607
Imagine living that struggling live with a wive who hates you an at your best mate an kids left to fend , But you posting still about this chinky shit stuff . Just post it to Reckt when you an hero .. ok

>>1653257
That and milkita

>>1648297
>>1648311
One of my best buddies is half jewish.

His parents don't even pay for his haircuts -- they go to one of their jewish friends. The lad is 20 and they don't even let him have his own car or drive anywhere by himself. He probably won't have a car until he finishes college.
I once heard his mom complain that he was going to spill his snack of apples, as if he was a toddler.

Stereotypes exist for a reason, anon.

>>1655164
Max is their whole 20V line. XR is the newer top brushless stuff. There are still good brushed tools that are non-XR, but probably older models. It’s the difference between the $99 kit with two 1.3Ah batteries, or the $160 bare tool, even if it’s still a brushed model.

>>1655441
>milkita
Meh, if you say so. Just because they aren’t part of a mega conglomerate doesn’t mean they’re not out to get the profits at Home Depot. Have you seen the Hilti ads on Facebook?

>>1653059
This
I just use canvas bags now with smaller bags containing loose items and load up whatever extra tools I need off the truck the bucket sits at home with random shit I never use now.

>>1655238
Hey, look. It's Chinese moot posting without his admin mode turned on.

>>1655445
I agree. I'm in the club for a bunck of jews here. They argue the price for everything. But I can honestly say, once we shake hands. That's a deal, no quibble on getting paid.
Stereotype or not, the jews money is just as green as everybody else.
Same thing with gays. The try to squeeze the price. But the handshake seals the deal. I'm in the club with a bunch of gays here also. They say they have it hard trying to get contractors to work for them
I'm like fuck it, I'll take your money.

>>1639607
>Ryobi
>Great ever

>>1639607
We have a lot of TStak shit at work. The entire system is shit quality, but pretty cheap.

>>1651941
My local Home Depot has a DeWalt endcap display with this case being one of the items.

>>1653257
Hilti honestly sold out to an extent.
I’m not sure the exact timeline,
but my understanding is that other than the rotary hammers,
which I believe Hilti has been making for decades,
many other Hilti tools were either simply rebranded tools from other decent manufacturers,
or manufactured for Hilti by outside manufacturers,
but made to Hilti designs, or at least the outside was customized for Hilti.
Hilti’s main business, was manufacturing specialty fasteners, and supplying other fasteners to the construction industry.

At some point before Hilti started selling their tools thru Home Depot, they seem to have started designing and manufacturing a wide variety of their own tools, using their own designs, with some other tools manufactured by outside manufacturers like Bosch, but usually heavily customized for Hilti.
The Hilti made tools were usually made in Lichtenstein, with the outside manufactured tools usually made in Germany, Switzerland, or Austria.
These designs tended to be excellent, with features that were ahead of other major tool companies in many cases.

Apparently Hilti, despite having a major partnership with Home Depot, couldn’t sell enough of the tools for the tool making to be profitable enough for them, and this is despite the Hilti tools usually costing two or three times what comparable Milwaukee tools would have cost.
Hilti then ended their Home Depot partnership, and the tool prices in some cases doubled.
Hilti then started “upgrading” the tool models, with newer versions that dumped a lot of the special features, and which in many cases were built more poorly, and moved production on many of the tools to China.
Alledgedly the Chinese tools are made in a plant that was a joint venture between Hilti and Panasonic, and the tools are still durable.
The newer Hilti models are in many ways just inferior to the older models.
The only tools they didn’t cheapen out on, are models that cost $600 or more.

>>1649757
This chart is already out of date, and needs to be updated.
Also, it doesn’t cover the point that Black & Decker, made pro quality tools, and continue to do so with some models.